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Post by Sven on Mar 1, 2009 1:39:33 GMT -5
Ok, so me and Sunjo have an idea that is slightly unique, but all together a fun one that would be highly involved, active and really promote the community of VS.
However, we tossed around some ideas and this is what we came up with.
We are a designing forum, yet, we have no weekly or regular competitions, this was purposefully decided by myself and Sunjo during our creation just to see how things would pan out. After a few discussions, we have decided the following:
That VS will NOT have an SotW, or other form of SotW (such as LPotF etc, etc).
Reasons: It's far too common, with little reward for the designers, instead its just frustrating and after a while, loses its enjoyability.
So, we were presented with the dilema of how to make things interesting for you guys. We came up with a tournament system.
We then thought about motivation and stakes for excitement, tossing around ideas such as 'just for laughs', 'fame'. Then we thought seriously. Custom titles and anything forum related is material, not important and kindda not worth hours of effort for the tournment.
We thought that having prize money is the best way to do this. However, we have an issue:
1) VS does not have the funds to support this by itself.
So, we thought about having an entry fee, obviously low, but with high prize money.
EXAMPLE:
$2 entry, $80 prize. Or along those lines.
However, since we have underage members, who don't posses a credit card, we are asking for expressions of interest.
Would you pay an entry fee? Would you be able to? Or is it a waste of time for myself and Sunjo who would have to organise it properly and then divy out the prize money etc.
Give us some feedback, we are interested to hear what you would like. If you think that the tournament would be successful without prize money, then say so as well. If it has good participation we would run it without prize money as well.
Thoughts and opinions?
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Post by blanka on Mar 1, 2009 1:44:44 GMT -5
This all sounds good and all but I can see a lot of people pussying out of the tourney because they know they are gonna get dominated or whatever. Hope that makes sense. >_>
Also as of right now finding money is a bit hard for me so I doubt I'll be entering if this idea gets implemented.
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Post by Sven on Mar 1, 2009 2:00:47 GMT -5
Thats why we offer prize money, so that people will stay in it and be motivated to pursue the tournament  |
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Post by ViTuspek on Mar 1, 2009 2:16:58 GMT -5
Won't work on a PB forum.
Plus, how would you work out the kinks? For example, why not just make a grand tourney with a 20$ buy in, then take the money and flee PB.
Who will collect the money?
What if someone wins, gets the money and is then caught for ripping?
Working together? In other words, me and two other members get together and decide to split the money three ways if any one of us wins.
But it all comes back to this being a ProBoard forum full of <18 year olds.
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Post by blanka on Mar 1, 2009 2:19:24 GMT -5
Thats why we offer prize money, so that people will stay in it and be motivated to pursue the tournament Who would enter when Sunjo or Digi is in? That's like giving away $2. Spek do make some good points btw. |
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Post by Sven on Mar 1, 2009 2:24:57 GMT -5
Won't work on a PB forum. Plus, how would you work out the kinks? For example, why not just make a grand tourney with a 20$ buy in, then take the money and flee PB. Who will collect the money? What if someone wins, gets the money and is then caught for ripping? Working together? In other words, me and two other members get together and decide to split the money three ways if any one of us wins. But it all comes back to this being a ProBoard forum full of <18 year olds. Because you can recall money after 2 weeks on PayPal which is how it would be done. I mean, the kinks you mentioned can be sorted, such as payment would be collected midway through the tournament or some such to reduce the risk of us 'running away' not like we'd do that I guess. The working together thing could be legitimate if you want to go that way, I don't think the prize money would ever be attractive enough to do that. Ripping, heh. This would be the hardest bit, but heavily researched, we aren't about to let people walk in without proof of making the piece. .PSDs would be collected, known sites be checked - asking around doing some serious detective work would be done. This is why we are asking for expressions of interest. These kinks that you have mentioned haven't been thought of. This wouldn't be implemented tomorrow if it's successful, these kinks that Spek has mentioned would be ironed out so to speak. Again, just an expression of interest, are you willing to give it a go? or what? |
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Post by Beebs on Mar 1, 2009 5:04:37 GMT -5
I agree with blanka, I don't think people would be so willing to fork over the cash when it's pretty much a fact that a lot of people wouldn't stand a chance, myself included. xDDD Even though the stakes are pretty low risk, I think people tend to stay away from anything involving money, especially when a forum is so new... I think it'd need a lot of credibility and seniority in the community to really stand a chance of making this work. Personally, I enter contests and such for the fun of it, and I do think having the same old same old would get repetitive, but there's plenty of ways to spice things up without having to resort to cash. Before it went down, Advent Children Forums had an ongoing SotW that lasted more than 120 weeks, and it offered no reward at all. It was pretty successful, and people never really got tired of it, so it just goes to show you that people will be up for anything, it just depends on the setting. So even if you offered a cash prize, that might not go over as well as a regular competition on a more "popular" place. I think that a universal and easily accessible would be more appealing to newcomers. (to the forum, that is  ) For instance, what if instead everyone had to submit a certain quantity of resources that they haven't yet distributed (PSDs, renders, etc.) as their entry fee? That way the winner could receive a jackpot type assortment of unique resources and designs, actually feeling like a real reward and motivator. To make it even juicier, full rights to whatever is relinquished. *shrugs* My two cents, I guess. |
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Post by Majortopio on Mar 1, 2009 5:17:15 GMT -5
No.
No.
and no.
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Post by Sven on Mar 1, 2009 5:27:22 GMT -5
I agree with blanka, I don't think people would be so willing to fork over the cash when it's pretty much a fact that a lot of people wouldn't stand a chance, myself included. xDDD Even though the stakes are pretty low risk, I think people tend to stay away from anything involving money, especially when a forum is so new... I think it'd need a lot of credibility and seniority in the community to really stand a chance of making this work. Personally, I enter contests and such for the fun of it, and I do think having the same old same old would get repetitive, but there's plenty of ways to spice things up without having to resort to cash. Before it went down, Advent Children Forums had an ongoing SotW that lasted more than 120 weeks, and it offered no reward at all. It was pretty successful, and people never really got tired of it, so it just goes to show you that people will be up for anything, it just depends on the setting. So even if you offered a cash prize, that might not go over as well as a regular competition on a more "popular" place. I think that a universal and easily accessible would be more appealing to newcomers. (to the forum, that is ) For instance, what if instead everyone had to submit a certain quantity of resources that they haven't yet distributed (PSDs, renders, etc.) as their entry fee? That way the winner could receive a jackpot type assortment of unique resources and designs, actually feeling like a real reward and motivator. To make it even juicier, full rights to whatever is relinquished. *shrugs* My two cents, I guess. That resource idea is good. As we stated, this is just for an expression of interest. Looks like it won't go ahead - but we will leave it for a little longer, just to make things more definite. |
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Post by Genesis on Mar 1, 2009 7:30:14 GMT -5
Hm, I agree with all the comments made. But in my opinion, this would be fun.
I'd gladly pay $2 for a chance to win $80. Even if Firestorm was in it. I think this would motivate designers to get better and not sit around while there is precious money floating around. (I turn 16 on June the 7th, so I get a card at that age for online spendingz)
But I think we should all give this go.
Just my opinion I guess. :3
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Post by Parker on Mar 1, 2009 7:30:15 GMT -5
I'm actually gonna say yes here, I am on another forum atm there is a comp and the prize's are actual 'THINGS' and it just gives everyone so much more drive and determination to win. I was was thinking that sometimes it doesn't just have to be money? Like a programme or some exclusive brushes or whatever. I'm up for it though....looks like the only one  |
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Post by Genesis on Mar 1, 2009 7:36:15 GMT -5
MY GOD, I just had an idea while talking to Nik. What if you made divisions? Like Novice-Moderate//Intermedate//Advanced. The prizes get better the higher the division and your not allowed to enter a division if your rank is too high. Would make more sense to bring back classification too.  Would make it hella more fair. :3 |
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Post by dmac on Mar 1, 2009 7:43:39 GMT -5
I like that Idea, I myself will even go with a yes here. I may never win but heck it's worth trying...
Does the divisions require you to be classified firsT? ... Like say Sunjo is advanced or w/e, but I myself am like NOOB lol.. Can I enter the Advanced tournaments? just for a time waster? or do I have to be classified that before moving up..
Just wondering..
Also most noobs are younger and me.. I think somewhat giving free items to the noob tournaments like free brushes and stuff (and it be free to enter) and the more advanced classes require pay to get into and the items are more expensive and worth while lol..
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Post by Genesis on Mar 1, 2009 7:57:00 GMT -5
Well the idea I suggested. Say Sunjo is Advanced, your Noob and I'm Inter (lol)
Me+You can't enter the advanced Division. But I can't enter your Division because I'm past moderate.
But because your not Inter you can't enter mine.
xD
You understand? ;P
And I think this would be a great way to bring back classing. So you know people wanna actually participate.
And for Noob tournys I think Brush sets and exclusive tutorials would be good? To help them. :3
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