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Post by Stinky666 on Jun 25, 2009 6:49:03 GMT -5
Let's be fair here for a moment, Dreg usually DOES deliver, in fact, he ALWAYS does usually deliver. He has shit going on his life, and whether he did promise or not, people can't always know what's going to happen in the future. Plus as already mentioned, it was free, basically. Sure you did things for him. You say you designed a lot more for him than he did coding for you.. proof? And simply, so what, it's still free. To put all the blame on him is pretty pathetic really, in my opinion at least.
Afterall, if you want(ed) the forum to succeed so much, why not do 1 of 3 things:
1: TRY find another coder. 2: Carry on with what you already have, and make a announcement explaining why updates weren't going to happen. Skins + Codes aren't everything. A community, the boards etc. are a major part. 3: Use pre-made codes. They are there for a reason. Oh no, codes that everyone is using.. so what, it's what YOU do with them that makes them stand out.
So, simply stop using him as an excuse and understand that he (and others) actually do have a life. Yeah, believe it or not, even coders have lives off the internet/computer. Shocking, isn't it?
Oh, and of course people don't enter competitions, people simply don't on PB forums, you should know that. The majority are simply lazy.
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Post by DregondRahl on Jun 25, 2009 7:06:49 GMT -5
firstly sunjo, i think its all your own fault and sven for this forum to fail. Its not one bit my fault. You said you designed for me. Sure, i coded this entire forum from scratch for you long before you did me anything. AND i did alot of changes when you did really really easy design stuff which I traded for coding the points system. which has been here for ages too. I was coding the version 2 of the points system and i competed coding it, i just didn't integrate it to PB yet. The databases are there the coding works everything works. its just not here. Why? because as I mentioned a million times before I don't have a proper computer. If you paid any attention you'd also know i never even completed the forum I was working on which you helped design simple things for. What do you mean I moved to another forum ? talkpark ? im not even a member there, i deleted my account after i moved them from PB, which I did since PB was completely unfair to them. I don't code PB anymore, the last thing I coded was Varia, I should have listned to everyone when they said you'd talk shit like this about me. I'v always been dedicated to my work, and i still don't have a decent computer. oneLYRA This isnt a school project or anything, I just did this for fun. And I was the one that coded everything not sven or sunjo, so it would be really shitty if people who don't even participate in this "project" bark command and talk bullshit behind your back. I never EVER stated ANY deadline for the coding, I said clearly that i don't have a decent computer and its giving me trouble so i won't be coding for a long time! I think anyone can look up my previous posts and find that I mentioned LONG before that my computer went to hell. So Sunjo and Sven are lying to all of you to act like THEY could have made this forum work. But apparently I was everything behind VS that's why its dead when I left. THEY have failed you, they have lied to you and they are the ones the cause of its death. You'd Think with all thier talk they would actually have DONE SOMETHING to make this forum work. I had a little hope they would atleast TRY. I guess NOT. Points V2 wimg.co.uk/dh7.rarvstest.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=viewprofile&user=adminpassportstudios.com/VARIA_CORE/action/log/user/admin/sort/rec
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Post by Sunjo on Jun 25, 2009 9:49:26 GMT -5
I was hoping you'd post, dreg..
Not that any of this matters in the end anyway? I said I'd never close VS and I won't, but that doesn't stop me from disappearing.. I understand now why I closed mD, this is all too much work for too little.
Oh, and I'll agree with you stinky - you're right, if we really wanted to make it work we would of used premades or found another coder, but in the end I didn't want to mix shoddy premades with dreg's coding, and we looked everywhere for a coder, everyone's too busy or too terribad to code what we wanted.
My opinion of dreg still stands, he's always been wishy washy and face it, you know as much as I do you COULD have coded the stuff you said you would (since you found a way to code for TP, even if you left shortly after).. the points revamp is just one of them, which was nearly completed from my understanding.. you was just too lazy to add/finish it.
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Post by Stinky666 on Jun 25, 2009 10:02:58 GMT -5
I was hoping you'd post, dreg.. Not that any of this matters in the end anyway? I said I'd never close VS and I won't, but that doesn't stop me from disappearing.. I understand now why I closed mD, this is all too much work for too little. Oh, and I'll agree with you stinky - you're right, if we really wanted to make it work we would of used premades or found another coder, but in the end I didn't want to mix shoddy premades with dreg's coding, and we looked everywhere for a coder, everyone's too busy or too terribad to code what we wanted. My opinion of dreg still stands, he's always been wishy washy and face it, you know as much as I do you COULD have coded the stuff you said you would (since you found a way to code for TP, even if you left shortly after).. the points revamp is just one of them, which was nearly completed from my understanding.. you was just too lazy to add/finish it. What exactly did he code for TP? If you picked codes wisely, then you could make them work and load fast etc nicely with Dreg's codes. Or, you could have simply learned to code yourself. You say it doesn't matter and all this crap, yet you continue to moan about it like a little bitch, no offense. Lets face it, you KNEW what it took to make a forum, coding wise, design wise, community wise and so on. You KNEW PB's coders were all gone because it's gone to shit (as Sven already mentioned). Also, basically Dreg's one of the last coders probably, so just think how many people ask him for codes, and because he is a nice guy, he always says yes. And I know from first hand experience that he IS reliable when it comes to coding someone something. He has made me loads of codes in the past, I have even made him do me codes for S.I, yet again, they have always been 'on time'. I'm honestly not going to post again after this, no matter what you, or anyone else says, especially Sven, since I know you'll have to make a 10,000 word reply Sven. I bet as you read this, you're thinking "Heck yes I am going to." I don't honestly mean to insult anyone at all, but to pin about 99$ of the blame on Dreg not finishing codes is selfish of both of you, when you just admitted you could have done more yourself. If it SERIOUSLY bothers you both/all so much, get someone to learn to code.
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Post by Sunjo on Jun 25, 2009 11:22:59 GMT -5
I doubt sven will reply with a huge post tbh, why? Because none of this matters, we honestly could care less about this place anymore, or (for the most part) the opinions of people posting here.
Sven's first post summed everything up nicely and it should of been locked there probably..
PB is crap, when ZD failed so did PB as a whole, mD brought things back, but not even close to what it used to be, everything past mD was doomed to fail no matter what, and that's simply the truth.. and on that note any design forum that isn't vB or phpBB is doomed to fail.. it's just strangely, the way things work.
So I'll say again - none of this matters, I'm done with PB.. but at this point, I doubt anyone will take me seriously on that statement, guess we'll just wait and see, aye?
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Post by James Kealey on Jun 25, 2009 14:34:03 GMT -5
The thing is, there will always be competition out there and how many forums are like this at PB? Loads! I did honestly believe at the opening of this, it would be successful, but PB is slowly failing and your attitute towards this forum is frankly rubbish! Of course, at first in the first 6 to 12 months, it's gonna have not many posts, but you've gotta give it time. From what i've previously read about Sunjo and Sven, i thought the forum would be an instant success. It could have been worth it in the end! But obviosly, because the admin's don't care about this forum now, there's little point! Forum's can't just survive themselves! And yes, i know what i'm saying you'll already know, but still! Come on! Anything can be a success if you just try hard enough.
Also, i never really saw any advertising anywhere!
That's all i'm saying.
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Post by Sunjo on Jun 25, 2009 16:11:46 GMT -5
I've worked fairly hard advertising actually, I submitted about 20 tutorials to 7 different tutorial sites, not to mention making several tutorials for VS, this brought in about 1k unique hits a day for a while, but that changed nothing, thousands and thousands of people glanced at the tuts.. and left.
It's pathetic really, if this were a phpBB or vB forum things would be a lot different.
And besides, I'm not obligated to keep this place alive, what do I get out of doing that anyway? A lot of lost time and effort, I have a life believe it or not, and I don't have time to waste reviving or keeping a sorry forum (proboards) active.
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Post by Stinky666 on Jun 25, 2009 16:48:40 GMT -5
I've worked fairly hard advertising actually, I submitted about 20 tutorials to 7 different tutorial sites, not to mention making several tutorials for VS, this brought in about 1k unique hits a day for a while, but that changed nothing, thousands and thousands of people glanced at the tuts.. and left. It's pathetic really, if this were a phpBB or vB forum things would be a lot different. And besides, I'm not obligated to keep this place alive, what do I get out of doing that anyway? A lot of lost time and effort, I have a life believe it or not, and I don't have time to waste reviving or keeping a sorry forum (proboards) active. Exactly, people have LIVES., thus, stop pinning all the blame on Dreg. And you never answered my previous question, which was "What did Dreg code for TP?".
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Post by Sven on Jun 25, 2009 19:07:27 GMT -5
I've worked fairly hard advertising actually, I submitted about 20 tutorials to 7 different tutorial sites, not to mention making several tutorials for VS, this brought in about 1k unique hits a day for a while, but that changed nothing, thousands and thousands of people glanced at the tuts.. and left. It's pathetic really, if this were a phpBB or vB forum things would be a lot different. And besides, I'm not obligated to keep this place alive, what do I get out of doing that anyway? A lot of lost time and effort, I have a life believe it or not, and I don't have time to waste reviving or keeping a sorry forum (proboards) active. Exactly, people have LIVES., thus, stop pinning all the blame on Dreg. And you never answered my previous question, which was "What did Dreg code for TP?". *sigh* im not one for long posts anymore Stinky. Dreg compiled the entire of TP and moved it from PB to SMF, something that took hours upon hours of intense computer work. Look, I have no issues about VS dying, I have no time myself for the place. I have no issues with dreg, at least I hope not, and in the end, ProBoards fails and Patrick Clinjer should die in a fire.
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Post by Stinky666 on Jun 25, 2009 19:28:38 GMT -5
Exactly, people have LIVES., thus, stop pinning all the blame on Dreg. And you never answered my previous question, which was "What did Dreg code for TP?". *sigh* im not one for long posts anymore Stinky. Dreg compiled the entire of TP and moved it from PB to SMF, something that took hours upon hours of intense computer work. Look, I have no issues about VS dying, I have no time myself for the place. I have no issues with dreg, at least I hope not, and in the end, ProBoards fails and Patrick Clinjer should die in a fire. But... you are famous for your long posts Clinjer.. lol. Better than Clinger I suppose
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Post by carmichael on Jun 27, 2009 13:19:30 GMT -5
wow... I come back to see what VS is doing and this is what I get? I'm all for paying for the service... with money. I think it's still the color green actually. But don't hold me too it.
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Post by slip on Jun 30, 2009 9:38:38 GMT -5
Blaming the failure of this forum on dreg has gotta be a low-point for the MAS team. Seriously Sunjo you are one of my favourite designers but what does a few code updates have to do with forum activity? You cribbed about our "dead" SOTW at Provision and left your staff post - and I did predict that the exact same thing would happen to VS soon. Activity is down everywhere and its not like this forum really had anything out-of-the-box to offer.
Databases - PV, SI, SZ. Tuts - SI, SZ. Support - PV, SZ. Competitions - SI. Magazines - PV, SSD. There's literally nothing here that hasn't already been done before.
So what's the point of pinning the blame on the one person who contributed to the creation of this forum as much as your design?
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Post by Majortopio on Jun 30, 2009 11:33:09 GMT -5
BECAUSE GOD SAID SO!
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Post by danielazarc on Jun 30, 2009 19:09:06 GMT -5
and in the end, ProBoards fails and Patrick Clinjer should die in a fire. lol maturity. Ah well. It was fun while it lasted... sorry to see a board with such pontential fall apart. :[
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