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May 3, 2009 11:47:22 GMT -5
Post by Spuds! on May 3, 2009 11:47:22 GMT -5
So I made this topic to talk about the quote at the top of the page. Sunjo locks it because...? To Sunjo and Sven. Firstly: The bash box says in the sub title says "we can take it" although clearly you can't since you openly say you don't feel like discussing it and lock the topic. Second: I wasn't even the only one who agreed. One other person seconded it and another said how maybe it would be better to say that Einstien said that? Or are you trying to hide that source too? It also just seems fishy since Sunjo was accused of riping a lot back in the day. Instead of having a rational debate about something that I brought to light (and that someone else seconded) you decide to just tell me I'm wrong without really giving any real reasons as to why I'm 'wrong' besides continuing to just say "creativity really is just about hiding your sources." You saying "I could prove you wrong but I don't feel like it." and then locking the topic is just ridiculous. I think I have a legit argument. Anyway my argument was a matter of opinion, not fact. So you have NO way of being 'right' in this situation. You can jump up and down until your face is blue saying that the secret to creativity is hiding your sources but I don't think that is true. I don't care if the fucking Pope said it. I still think that is the completely wrong way to look at it. It's an opinion, you can't prove an opinion wrong. To everyone else, goodluck with your photoshopping. If anyone needs me you can hit my up on AIM or MSN.
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May 3, 2009 11:51:57 GMT -5
Post by Parker on May 3, 2009 11:51:57 GMT -5
I think your totally right but meh im not getting involved. Cya man hope everything goes well for ya!
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May 3, 2009 12:05:21 GMT -5
Post by Spuds! on May 3, 2009 12:05:21 GMT -5
Thanks Parker, take care man.
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May 3, 2009 12:34:29 GMT -5
Post by Majortopio on May 3, 2009 12:34:29 GMT -5
I respect that. I'll add you on MSN, I think.
Have fun.
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May 3, 2009 13:01:43 GMT -5
Post by Dude™ on May 3, 2009 13:01:43 GMT -5
Later.
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May 3, 2009 13:34:18 GMT -5
Post by Sunjo on May 3, 2009 13:34:18 GMT -5
Bringing this out here is just extremely childish.
In my opinion, pigs can indeed fly, and my opinion is just that, so you can't say I'm wrong. This makes as much sense as what you're saying right now. You ARE wrong, your whole argument and opinion is flawed.. saying we are creative is absurd.
I said I don't feel like a debate, and you aren't going to force one out of me.
Also I found your passively accusing me of ripping to be distasteful.. I love how everyone talks that shit when I do something they dislike.
I don't care how I come across right now, so farewell.. although it's no real loss, honestly.
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May 3, 2009 13:39:17 GMT -5
Post by CTCal45 on May 3, 2009 13:39:17 GMT -5
Peace bro, not gonna get into it.
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May 3, 2009 14:32:50 GMT -5
Post by Spuds! on May 3, 2009 14:32:50 GMT -5
Bringing this out here is just extremely childish. Really? I'm leaving. I wanted to explain why. How is that childish? I also wouldn't have left, OR made this topic if you hadn't decided to be "KING ADMIN LOL" and lock my topic. That is not something you can form an opinion on. There is physical proof that pigs cannot fly. Take Logic 101 when you get to college. I never said you or anyone here is creative. Again, absolute wrong way to form an argument. You're just making yourself look stupid by saying I'm wrong about my opinion on what creativity is. There is no right or wrong answer for such a thing. AND the idea that nothing is creative or new is such a sad, depressing, pessimistic way to view art that it makes me cringe inside to think that you call what you do art. Then don't. I don't care if you agree with me or not. What this is about is you locking a perfectly good topic that more people may have taken interest in simply because you didn't like it. Yes, this is your forum, but you don't have to run it like a little prepubescent schoolboy. Says the guy who locked my topic for no real reason other than the fact he 'disliked' it. Maybe you shouldn't have ripped off work and passed it as your own then. Your fault, not mine, don't even think about trying to put that on me. No you're right. As far as the whole community is concerned my leaving will really make no difference what-so-ever. But is that really the attitude you want to have? "Oh it's okay, he was relatively new and wasn't as good as me at Photoshop" Great example to set for your community you twit. Make sure to lock the topic after your next retort so I can't respond!
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May 3, 2009 15:15:49 GMT -5
Post by blackjack on May 3, 2009 15:15:49 GMT -5
by my little time here i saw you posting and replying some and i think you donated to the forum. but the quote is a choice of the designer and manager of the site. and i think it should be respected.
goodbye and lucky way.
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May 4, 2009 3:11:23 GMT -5
Post by Sven on May 4, 2009 3:11:23 GMT -5
*sigh* drama fails.
Ok Spuds, and to any one else that cares to read this topic and see the bucket of fail it is.
I have explained this, I do not want to talk about Sunjo's ripping past. We are all aware of it.
However, if you accuse him of ripping now, you are also accusing me since I design a lot of the concepts and stuff with him, the fact that I have no ripping past, and that all my work is 100% legitimate is fine.
If you think VS is ripped, you are welcome to try and prove it. If you think any of Sunjo's current work is ripped you are welcome to try and prove it.
If you don't like the quote at the top, you are not required to stay here. You are welcome to leave, however, it is a philosophical ideal that both myself and Sunjo hold. We have seen the amateur designing comunity for years on end, and have come to the conclusion that this is clearly the best quote for it. As proven by the arguments against Sunjo's work and how he rips. He was creative up until someone pointed out that he ripped.
It might be a misleading quote, that you personally don't like. Others have pointed it out, you aren't the first person to say stuff about it to. But really, we don't care. It's not OUR loss that you don't want to be part of our forum and community. It is truly yours, you, who no longer get to post on our forum and be part of our community. If you can't recognise this, then you truly are no loss to us at all. If you cannot recognise what you are going to be missing out of, then thats not my loss. I know what you are going to be missing, and it makes me sad that you chose to be left out of something truly wonderful by being a childish brat.
I won't say anymore. I have said that I do not wish to discuss Sunjo's ripping past again. I won't, I don't plan on it.
So, all I can really say is that to leave a forum over an admin locking a topic is something truly mind boggling and baffling. I have never seen an act that is as full of pure selfishness and child like nature as that before.
As you rightfully said Spuds. This is our forum, we can run it how we like. You do not have to be part of it, and you have chosen what you wish to do. However, we keep things running tight to stop things getting out of control which we both feel we are quite good at pre-empting when something is about to get ridiculous.
I am truly sorry to see you leave, but, as I said earlier. If you cannot see what you're going to be missing out on, then maybe its not as big as loss as what we thought. That is the harsh truth.
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May 4, 2009 23:24:55 GMT -5
Post by ViTuspek on May 4, 2009 23:24:55 GMT -5
Had to come back to say something.
Sunjo/Sven - That quote is stupid in this scenario. It's like a murderer taunting people with books titled "If I did it, this is how it would be done." Whether or not that's true isn't the point here. Has Sunjo ripped in the past? Yes, and I've seen plenty of proof for that. Is he ripping now? Well, you guys know my stand on the VS skin but no, nothing else I've seen from him leads to him ripping, so it'd be a false accusation. However, there are those that would like to put forth such accusations, and all that quote does is make it that much easier to convince someone Sunjo's a ripper. A forum isn't a place to push your own ideals onto people, but if you do that, at least have the courtesy to not bash them when they disagree.
Spuds: Leaving a forum because the admins didn't want to change the skin and locked your thread before things got out of a hand? That's fucking ridiculous. :\
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May 4, 2009 23:32:13 GMT -5
Post by Shine on May 4, 2009 23:32:13 GMT -5
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May 5, 2009 0:07:05 GMT -5
Post by Sunjo on May 5, 2009 0:07:05 GMT -5
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May 5, 2009 0:08:00 GMT -5
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